The Tenets of Dudeism

[milnie]

CC, am i sensing a smidgen of hostility to the christian church? please tell me you weren't a choirboy who had "special" lessons ?!?

[cckeiser]

CC, am i sensing a smidgen of hostility to the christian church? please tell me you weren't a choirboy who had "special" lessons ?!?

I was raised Roman Catholic and attended catholic school till i graduated from high school. i was not a choirboy but yes...i saw some things...but no matter what the church could have done to my body is nothing compared to what they did do to my mind. i suffered for 30 plus years trying to rid myself of their mind fucking.
Where you start is in recognizing/comprehending...that Everything the church has told you is a Lie!...Everything...remember the church was the victor and wrote our history books.
Morhdorh won!

[forumdude]

cc definitely harbors some resentment towards the institution. it's an apt pun, institution. both an organization and a place for crazy people. because organizations get crazier and crazier and make people crazy as well. which is why dudeism has to remain a sort of dis-organization in order to keep from going off the rails.

nevertheless, it seems that andrea is not sticking up for the church but for the spirit of christianity. and most of that spirit jibes with dudeism. not the otherworldly parts and the claim that you should let people punch you two times, but certainly a lot of it (from the gospels primarily).

incidentally, though "do no harm" had existed long before christianity, that "no harm doing" was normally reserved for members of one's own tribe. one of the great achievements of christianity was to divorce people's ethnic identity from their philosophical identity. this was a new phenomenon in the west at the time, though the buddha had done this five hundred years before in the east. certainly some good things came out of the christian worldview. though most of those things happened a hell of a long time ago. on the other hand it could be argued that the church was responsible for the destruction of all that was good in western civilization for 1500 years. and that's a bummer man. that's a bummer.

so, yeah, you take the good with the bad. or try to, anyway.

i think that most of us here would have a hard time getting on board with the idea that the catholic church (and any other mega-church or movement) has been very good for humanity. but that doesn't abnegate the idea that the original uncompromised Jesus and his first draftees were onto something groovy.

[Caesar dude]

but that doesn't abnegate the idea that the original uncompromised Jesus and his first draftees were onto something groovy.

But he didn't fucking exist man. He's an allegory a made up fable. There is not one shred of historical documentation that names him or supports his existence.

And that isn't opinion dudes.

[BikerDude]

I harbor resentment toward the catholic church, voodoo, shamanism, nordic gods, greek gods, alchemy, witch burning and pretty much all types of idiocy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn48PeUUulk&feature=related

[forumdude]

but that doesn't abnegate the idea that the original uncompromised Jesus and his first draftees were onto something groovy.

But he didn't fucking exist man. He's an allegory a made up fable. There is not one shred of historical documentation that names him or supports his existence.

And that isn't opinion dudes.

Right you are dude. But the same goes for all the other religious prophets. Or rather, they may have existed but almost surely didn't say or do all the stuff attributed to them. In every case someone else wrote it down way after the fact, including the followers of Buddhism and Taoism. The Buddha and Lao Tzu are hazy figures, part or mostly legendary. All religious creeds are big games of Chinese whispers.

Well, except for Scientology and Mormonism. Neither of which are high in the running for Dudeliest worldwide.

It doesn't really matter if Jesus existed or not. The impact he had on the world is the same. The Dude wasn't real either but we dig his style just the same. In fact, I'm not sure that any of us are "real". I wake up different every day. I often think I'm just a product of my own ego's bullshit propaganda.

[Klaus Korters]

Yeah but Odin with all that facial hair and long mane? Stick on a pair of shades and you gotta dude looking fella, I mean what was he saying? refusing to cut his hair and shave and all........




It's a small world I inhabit, but I like it.

[milnie]

I was raised Roman Catholic and attended catholic school till i graduated from high school. i was not a choirboy but yes...i saw some things...

Sorry cc. A bad attempt at injecting a bit of humour into a heavy discussion. For what it's worth my only abiding memory of involvement with the Christian church was standing up one Sunday during a sermon when i was very small and shouting "anchor butter". Unfortunately the question that predates this sage bit of advice is lost in the annals of time.

[cckeiser]

Ok, I'm done with my rant...fuck it...lets go bowling dudes!

[Andrea Da Fino]

That's just like your opinion dude...and the reason you think the way you do is you have been mind fucked by the fuckin' church. You think what you wrote here sounds rational...The church has bent your mind so badly you cannot rationalize without their mind fucking getting in you way. You even call them "Christian Concepts"!...dude...do no harm and helping one another predates the Church by thousands of years. It is how we all got along and survived Before The Church came along and fucked things up.

I will offer you the same advice I offered thinkingdude...free your mind from the brainwashing of the church. You have been mind fucked and don't even know it.
But I will promise you this...once you free your mind of their mind fucking...you are going to be pissed as hell for what they did to you.

What meekon5 has taught me is...We cannot put a name to Dudeism any more than we can put a name to Tao...if we try to name either they are neither Dudeism nor Tao.

Get your minds free dudes.

(Imdo) Good advice man, the only problem is that I haven't been brainwashed by the Catholic church, nor I've brainwashed myself. And I'm not even a Catholic given that I've understood that as an organization they were a bunch of liers when I was 15. It's just a tenet of Dudeism to divide people in just two categories, dude and undude. And not in dude, undude, and Christians. It seems that for some of us even Scientology or being a Kali's Thug is better than Christianity or Catholicism. Or even one of those flat brain people who blast themselves for Allah. Everything can be accepted except being either Christian or Catholic, which are two different things anyway.

I think this prevents a lot of fellas from even thinking to enter our beloved religion because they feel they won't be accepted for their religious background. Nowhere is written that if you dig JCD you can't be a dude. Or if you are a Catholic. Most Catholics by the way are such because they dig JCD and not the Pope, they are not all a bunch of uptights. And JCD isn't an historic Dude by chance.


But we could ask people that before joining Dudeism they must abiure their previous religion, wait, this is what sects and religions like Catholicism or Islam do. 

It is not my intention to defend the Roman Catholic church, which is just one of the many Catholic churches around, but I don't like this kind of approach. I don't like to see a kind of dogmatic war between Dudeism and Catholicism. We hate dogmas but sometimes it seems that our only dogma is to fight the Catholic church who is the evil of the world. But I do understand that given that the Catholic religion is the one we know better it becomes a natural target. We should begin, for a matter of equality, to study Islam and the various Jews sects. Just to talk about historic truth and open mindness.


Do I dig part of what JCD is thought to have said? Yes. Do I believe every story around about him? No. Do I dig the Catholicism style? No, but there are many other religions or philosophies I don't dig. Also, even if the greatest part of the story about JCD is fictional, as well about Buddha, Lao Tzu and all the other compeers, it is said that the Gospel of Thomas which talks about JCD is dated around 100 A.C. which makes it a good historical book.


Does my point of view make me a bad dude? Well, I just don't think. What makes me a bad dude is being undude. Whatever my religious, non religious or philosophical background. Dude and undude, that's how we divide the world.


As for the M5 quote it's a point where we agree to disagree, imdo we can define Dudeism because Dudeism is not Tao just like Taoism is not Tao. Tao is one thing, Dudeism and Taoism are points of view on Tao and the immutable laws of nature. Human or not. The fact that at the moment we don't see the whole elephant doesn't negates the fact that we are talking about an elephant, not a tiger, not a lion, an elephant.

Dudeism is like water which can take many forms, but it remains water, not beer, not wine. And we can define water. Dudeism is a philosophy, a religion, a church, an organization and 1000 other things but it's not just a concept. We can like it or not, we can agree or not but Dudeism is something definite even if it can be further clarified.

If something is just a foggy concept than everyone is right and Dudeism can be everything one wants, if instead something is clear then some are right and some are missing the point. And given that we know that something is dude and something is undude than it's pretty clear that Dudeism and being a dude are specific things and not a good for everyone recipe. We won't end up with Dude Cannibals around. Now, let me take another look and see if I can find this clarity down there.
(Imdo) 

[meekon5]

but that doesn't abnegate the idea that the original uncompromised Jesus and his first draftees were onto something groovy.

But he didn't fucking exist man. He's an allegory a made up fable. There is not one shred of historical documentation that names him or supports his existence.

And that isn't opinion dudes.

Um at the risk of being more of an anal retentive arse than usual, the dead sea scrolls do allegedly mention the guy.



Though the majority of the dead sea scrolls is about other things entirely, there is one tiny mention of jesus.

[Caesar dude]

I have not heard this? I will investigate further....thank you Meekon. 

[Dirty Hippie]

Nobody fucks with the Jesus! You think it's a coinkidinki that the Jesus is a pederast? Nah, man! That there's a metaphor or sumpthin.

Anyway, all this arguing is totally undude and exhausting. The Dude would not bother with any of this, IMDO. I feel it is only because the conversation is between a group of Dudes that it is as cordial as it is. Any other forum would have people banned and a lot of feelings poo pooed by now.

[Caesar dude]

http://www.centuryone.com/25dssfacts.html

Fact No. 22

Unless new shit has come to light of which I am unaware...and that is highly likely! 

[milnie]

Ok, I'm done with my rant...fuck it...lets go bowling dudes!

sweeeet! mark it 8 dude. theres always another frame