Dudes Who Don't Understand

[vashcrowley]

As of tonight, I was persecuted for my beliefs in Dudeism.  Told, by a "dude" of 18 years that Dudeism is nothing but a cult following and is irrational and hypocritical.  While it may have started as that... which I don't believe... this is one of the best religions to follow.  Has anyone else had this problem with so-called "dudes" trying to hold you down? 

[Quaker Dude]

I'm not sure I quite understand here, Dude.  This person to whom you're referring - does he profess to be a dude even though he doesn't dig the ethos?  Why would he call himself a dude if he thought the whole thing was irrational and hypocritical?

[vashcrowley]

In all reality, dude, I considered him a dude by association even though he is of the Christian persuasion.  I've never harshed on him for his own personal beliefs, yet he continues to tread on mine.  To make things clearer, here is his own personal rant towards our beliefs:

Being a Dudeist is irrational. I dare even say hypocritical. The Dude himself would not be a Dudeist. Remember, he's damn near the laziest man in the world. It would require effort to become a member and then being a member would put boundaries inside of your mind about taking down boundaries. Dudes are dudes because they are without affiliation, without focus. What you have there in Dudeism is simply cult following.

It goes without saying that, as of this rant directed at the ethos, he is no longer considered a dude-by-association, but a mere acquaintance.  First question is, do I, as a dude, try to make him understand or keep him at acquaintance status until he is enlightened of his own accord.  Second question is have others dealt with this?

[DigitalBuddha]

As of tonight, I was persecuted for my beliefs in Dudeism.  Told, by a "dude" of 18 years that Dudeism is nothing but a cult following and is irrational and hypocritical.  While it may have started as that... which I don't believe... this is one of the best religions to follow.  Has anyone else had this problem with so-called "dudes" trying to hold you down?  

So that's just like his opinion, man. The problem is that the dude you are talking about thinks that there is only one form of dudeism which he condemns as "irrational and hypocritical," but that would presuppose that Dudeism is one thing, and one thing only; a single set of "dudeism principles" and a "single catechism" to be followed.

In reality, dudeism is fluid and different for each dude; it is as unique as each dude is. So how would he know what is "irrational and hypocritical?"

Besides, all human thinking is "irrational and hypocritical" at times, some of the most creative thinking come from "irrational and hypocritical" people. Dudes are no different.

That's just like my opinion, man.

[Quaker Dude]

Ok, I think I see what you mean now.  Thanks for clarifying, Dude!

It sounds to me like your friend is generally cool and probably has a lot of Dudeist ideas, but maybe doesn't necessarily embrace the label, or finds it too constricting.  I can kind of relate to that.  I consider myself a believer in Jesus (the one who wore sackcloth and never rolled on Shabbos, not the pederast in purple spandex), but most of the extremely UNdude people who call themselves Christians made me want to never self-apply the label again. 

This doesn't mean there's anything wrong with Dudeism, as the label has, to my knowledge, never been corrupted; it's so pure that no qualifiers are ever needed, which is why I'm more than happy to go through life as a self-avowed Dudeist.  But maybe this is a person who feels that self-applying ANY religious label to himself would be a violation of his principles.  In a way, this is almost the ultimate form of Dudeism if you think about it. 

Either way, I hope you guys can make up; it sounds like you've got a good friendship and it would be a shame to let that go just because of religious differences.

[vashcrowley]

Thanks for your opinions, Dudes.

To Quaker Dude, he is generally cool but I would have to say that no, he doesn't really have Dudeist ideas though.  We didn't really scuffle about this, as I responded by quoting Duderonomy 2:5 and he totally clammed up and logged off.  I, myself, am not a believer in Jesus... loincloth, not spandex... and have my own reasons for it.  He has, in fact, tried pulling me in that direction without success.  I see nothing wrong with claiming Dudeism as my primary religious belief.

To Digitalbuddha, I dig the way you explained Dudeism.  It's done in a way that even he could understand.  As a matter of fact, I couldn't have said it better myself.  I agree that people can be hypocritical and irrational at times... I'm no exception either... trust me.

Thanks for your responses.  I look forward to posting more posts and hearing from you again.  You seem like some real cool dudes.  May the Dude be with you. 

[Abideist]

You're friend is right. Dudeism is a cult.

Now pass the punch and hand me the AR-15

[Banjo Dude]

Aw, MAN... We were supposed to get rifles? I didn't get a rifle

You can keep the Jonestown Bug Juice, though

Oh, and I think you might be misusing "persecuted," bro.  One kid being slightly rude (very slightly, by internet standards) to you on the internet does not persecution make.  Ask any Haitian albino.  Or European Jew, 'specially over the age of, say, seventy.  Or Black American, or American Indian.

Sorry if you feel I'm harshing on you, but I feel pretty strongly that it doesn't suit an intelligent, caring person to so dilute the meaning of the label for the treatment these people (and many, many more) suffer at the hands of those more powerful than them.

[cckeiser]

"We are not Rational Creatures, we are Rationalizing Creatures!" - Elmer Fudd
Welcome to our little beach party vashcrowley dude.
Any rug in the place dude.

[Maltshake]

I think the reason we need dudeism is so all the undudelike haters will now not just be slinging personal attacks, but it will be considered religiously intolerant to criticize a dude. We have a right to do what we do just like everybody else, which is a lot of nothing but fuck it man, we need some kind of buffer from these guys with caltrops in their assholes.

[Outer Element]

In all reality, dude, I considered him a dude by association even though he is of the Christian persuasion.  I've never harshed on him for his own personal beliefs, yet he continues to tread on mine.  To make things clearer, here is his own personal rant towards our beliefs:

Being a Dudeist is irrational. I dare even say hypocritical. The Dude himself would not be a Dudeist. Remember, he's damn near the laziest man in the world. It would require effort to become a member and then being a member would put boundaries inside of your mind about taking down boundaries. Dudes are dudes because they are without affiliation, without focus. What you have there in Dudeism is simply cult following.

It goes without saying that, as of this rant directed at the ethos, he is no longer considered a dude-by-association, but a mere acquaintance.  First question is, do I, as a dude, try to make him understand or keep him at acquaintance status until he is enlightened of his own accord.  Second question is have others dealt with this?

Vashcrowley, I haven't had to deal with a friend who's tried to push his/her religion on me, but I dig how harsh that might be for you. I guess if this happened to me, I'd like to think that I'd point out that Jesus would probably have never been a Christian, but it didn't keep a whole mess of self-proclaimed Christians from thinking that he was the coolest dude on earth. Also, like, Christianity is rational? No religion has rationality on its side because it isn't meant to address that kind of truth. And Christians are never hypocritical? We're all sinners, man, in the parlance of his faith, and as db has previously pointed out.

I might even suggest to my friend that I see a log in need of removal from his eye. I don't think that saying whatever you need to or objecting in the moment as undudely behavior. Does the Dude ever let Walter slide? No, because he fucks up, man, and the Dude lets him know because he feels deeply. He knows what his truth is.

So, after I pointed out how uptight my friend's thinking was, I would step back, light up a j and put on the headsets. Maybe have an oat soda. Then, if he was a good friend, I'd show up for bowling night.

Just my thoughts. Whatever you decide to do, keep on abiding.

[DigitalBuddha]

You're friend is right. Dudeism is a cult.

Now pass the punch and hand me the AR-15

Damn interesting way to go bowling. 

[hannahdude]

new dude, welcome and nothings fucked up here man, relax.
what is a 'caltrop' btw? and when and where did elmer fudd say that funny thing i laughed out loud at when i read it above 2 min's ago and already forgot?
oh man, what a world, huh?
fuckin' A.

[DigitalBuddha]

new dude, welcome and nothings fucked up here man, relax.
what is a 'caltrop' btw? and when and where did elmer fudd say that funny thing i laughed out loud at when i read it above 2 min's ago and already forgot?
oh man, what a world, huh?
fuckin' A.

Elmer Fudd = Walter
Bugs Bunny = The Dude.

Any other comparisons?

[Banjo Dude]

Caltrops are an area-denial device: picture a four-sided pyramid (triangular pyramid; four-sided die a la DND) with pointy fuckin' spikes extending from the vertices.   When scattered about, they will always have one point skyward.  Now try to walk or ride a horse through a whole bunch of 'em.

A modern equivalent is the "Portable Car Tire Fucker-Upper" (I feel the real name is less descriptive) as seen on TV on the (apparently) popular program "Fascist Fuckin' Pigs." (Again, the real name is less descriptive)  They seem to love using it almost as much as chasing and beating poor shirtless guys.