Jeff Dowd and the Seattle Seven

[Rev. Gary (revgms)]

Well what's your understanding of the Tao? Not sure where, but the answer lies within.

Dudeism is just a label for a concept that has been around forever.

Sure "Dudeism" may not have existed with out the movie, but there would be some thing else in it's place that would be what we have here. The key to this mystery is abiding, it is waking up again in the west, and this is how it is expressing it self. But it is not new, just updated for fashion, so to speak.

As far as the great pot smokers hope, there are other sites better suited for that discusion, SAFER, NORML and LEAP are good for that. I think when it comes to the drug laws, most Dudeists would probably just say, "I'm sorry, I wasn't listening". There are better "religions for that sort of thing. One only needs to be a Taoist who honors Wa Mu, or even an Ethiopian Coptic.

[forumdude]

Ok, well that is, even if your the top priest forumdude, still just your opinion.

Now I thought I was a Dudeist, but I guess I am being told that I am a Lebowskist.
I did not know that.

So....what makes a Dudeist, Mr. Lebowski?

Or more specifically....what makes you define me as a Lebowskist?

....And when exactly (an actual date) was Dudeism sanctified into being?
Because I cannot believe it was BEFORE the movie came out!
And I cannot believe that the religion of Dudeism would exist WITHOUT the movie.

Therefore, even if a Dude posts to the forum using mostly quotes from the movie, as many do, how can you judge who is a Dudeist and who is a Lebowskist? And how can you possibly know who sees deeper meaning in the movie and who doesn't?

And then again, forumdude, dont take any offense, but it could all be a fake, man.
This whole thing could just be like Lenin said, as long as you can market your wares and feed the monkey. And then there is, of course, the potsmokers hope that they can legally smoke a J without fear of the reactionaries by claiming religious purposes.

I'm not upset, Dudes, I never was upset! But I'm not gonna let an 8 stand when its really a 0. I mean, Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I wrong?

you're not wrong da stranger, you're just being a bit reactionary about the whole thing. you're whatever you want to call yourself. it don't matter to the dudeist. most of us believe that dudeism existed before the movie, only it wasn't called "dudeism." but we don't care too much about labels. we believe that the big lebowski helped bring old shit to light in a new way. "dudeism" is just a convenient vehicle to frame the conversation and elaborate the age-old concept. if you want to restrict dudeism to just the movie, that's your prerogative. most of us won't be on board with that but feel free to argue that point. however, you might want to read a bit of the dudespaper and perhaps "the year's work in lebowski studies" to get an idea of how TBL can be seen to fit into a larger framework. this is your homework larry.

if you look around you'll probably see that a ton of work has gone into the site and the modest amount of bones or clams or what have you that we get to help feed the monkey is only incidental. if you don't dig our style (or the fact that we sell tee shirts) then you're free to start your own commercial-free dudeism or what have you.

i'm tempted to say "why don't you fucking listen occasionally, you might learn something" but i don't want to have that misconstrued as angry or aggressive. but i will say this: get off your high torino and take a look at the conversation here and elsewhere. you're casting stones where there is nothing to get stoned.

we'd prefer if you'd get stoned with us but if you don't dig our style then we'll catch ya further on down the trail.

[cckeiser]

Ok, well that is, even if your the top priest forumdude, still just your opinion.

Now I thought I was a Dudeist, but I guess I am being told that I am a Lebowskist.
I did not know that.

So....what makes a Dudeist, Mr. Lebowski?

Or more specifically....what makes you define me as a Lebowskist?

....And when exactly (an actual date) was Dudeism sanctified into being?
Because I cannot believe it was BEFORE the movie came out!
And I cannot believe that the religion of Dudeism would exist WITHOUT the movie.

Therefore, even if a Dude posts to the forum using mostly quotes from the movie, as many do, how can you judge who is a Dudeist and who is a Lebowskist? And how can you possibly know who sees deeper meaning in the movie and who doesn't?

And then again, forumdude, dont take any offense, but it could all be a fake, man.
This whole thing could just be like Lenin said, as long as you can market your wares and feed the monkey. And then there is, of course, the potsmokers hope that they can legally smoke a J without fear of the reactionaries by claiming religious purposes.

I'm not upset, Dudes, I never was upset! But I'm not gonna let an 8 stand when its really a 0. I mean, Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I wrong?

you're not wrong da stranger, you're just being a bit reactionary about the whole thing. you're whatever you want to call yourself. it don't matter to the dudeist. most of us believe that dudeism existed before the movie, only it wasn't called "dudeism." but we don't care too much about labels. we believe that the big lebowski helped bring old shit to light in a new way. "dudeism" is just a convenient vehicle to frame the conversation and elaborate the age-old concept. if you want to restrict dudeism to just the movie, that's your prerogative. most of us won't be on board with that but feel free to argue that point. however, you might want to read a bit of the dudespaper and perhaps "the year's work in lebowski studies" to get an idea of how TBL can be seen to fit into a larger framework. this is your homework larry.

if you look around you'll probably see that a ton of work has gone into the site and the modest amount of bones or clams or what have you that we get to help feed the monkey is only incidental. if you don't dig our style (or the fact that we sell tee shirts) then you're free to start your own commercial-free dudeism or what have you.

i'm tempted to say "why don't you fucking listen occasionally, you might learn something" but i don't want to have that misconstrued as angry or aggressive. but i will say this: get off your high torino and take a look at the conversation here and elsewhere. you're casting stones where there is nothing to get stoned.

we'd prefer if you'd get stoned with us but if you don't dig our style then we'll catch ya further on down the trail.

Whoa Dude! Where did that come from??

Da Stranger is like just expressing his opinion man.  We're all entitled to our opinion,and this is the right fuckin' place  to express it.
Hell...you dudes even let me in! Well most of you anyway! 8^)

But yeah, I can sympathize with Da Stranger. He signs onto a Dudeist forum and get blindsided by the likes of me and my fucked up philosophies.
We all take a little bit of gettin' used to. No sense of getting all reactionary here. Just let the ball roll and roll with the ball.
It's not like he is posting fuckin' spam!
I hate spam...I think I may have told you that??

But like it's your forum and as always...it's just like my opinon man.

[forumdude]

Hey CC,
sorry, maybe i was reading it wrong. i've had a bit too much port and it's fucking freezing here in amsterdam where i'm on holiday. not used to having frozen fingers while typing.

i was just getting the idea that da stranger was giving ol meekon a hard time (see related more recent thread) and was casting aspersions where none were due, and that he hadn't done his homework.

but it does seem like our pal da stranger is being a bit strict about what he thinks dudeism should be all about. insisting that it's all about the movie and nothing more sort of misses the point of the whole thing. and i didn't read meekon's post as being blindsiding but maybe i need to re-read it.

anyway, we should all dig the fact that da stranger feels strongly enough to throw his hat into the ring and argue his opinion. i think i was a little defensive because of da stranger's none-so-subtle attack on meekon in the aforementioned related thread. unless it wasn't an attack at all. hard to tell when people are waxing poetic or if they're making literal connections.

[cckeiser]

Hey CC,
sorry, maybe i was reading it wrong. i've had a bit too much port and it's fucking freezing here in amsterdam where i'm on holiday. not used to having frozen fingers while typing.

i was just getting the idea that da stranger was giving ol meekon a hard time (see related more recent thread) and was casting aspersions where none were due, and that he hadn't done his homework.

but it does seem like our pal da stranger is being a bit strict about what he thinks dudeism should be all about. insisting that it's all about the movie and nothing more sort of misses the point of the whole thing. and i didn't read meekon's post as being blindsiding but maybe i need to re-read it.

anyway, we should all dig the fact that da stranger feels strongly enough to throw his hat into the ring and argue his opinion. i think i was a little defensive because of da stranger's none-so-subtle attack on meekon in the aforementioned related thread. unless it wasn't an attack at all. hard to tell when people are waxing poetic or if they're making literal connections.

I think Da Stranger's What I am was pointed at me from http://dudeism.com/smf/index.php?topic=1457.msg12478#msg12478.

Not sure, just guessing! 8^)

[forumdude]

Hey CC,
sorry, maybe i was reading it wrong. i've had a bit too much port and it's fucking freezing here in amsterdam where i'm on holiday. not used to having frozen fingers while typing.

i was just getting the idea that da stranger was giving ol meekon a hard time (see related more recent thread) and was casting aspersions where none were due, and that he hadn't done his homework.

but it does seem like our pal da stranger is being a bit strict about what he thinks dudeism should be all about. insisting that it's all about the movie and nothing more sort of misses the point of the whole thing. and i didn't read meekon's post as being blindsiding but maybe i need to re-read it.

anyway, we should all dig the fact that da stranger feels strongly enough to throw his hat into the ring and argue his opinion. i think i was a little defensive because of da stranger's none-so-subtle attack on meekon in the aforementioned related thread. unless it wasn't an attack at all. hard to tell when people are waxing poetic or if they're making literal connections.

I think Da Stranger's What I am was pointed at me from http://dudeism.com/smf/index.php?topic=1457.msg12478#msg12478.

Not sure, just guessing! 8^)

Hmm. Judges ruling? Anyway, we all dig a little argument. Let's not forget - LETS NOT FORGET - that TBL stars out with a big argument between The Dude and Walter and settles into a nice groove where no grudges are held. That's fucking interesting, man...

By the way, just because I manage the site doesn't mean I'm not above being called a fucking asshole or a goddamn moron. There's no hierarchy here. The Dudely Lama is the same as all the other Dudeists. I'm just an editor and amalgamator, not the authority. Please don't pull any punches.

[cckeiser]

Hmm. Judges ruling? Anyway, we all dig a little argument. Let's not forget - LETS NOT FORGET - that TBL stars out with a big argument between The Dude and Walter and settles into a nice groove where no grudges are held. That's fucking interesting, man...

By the way, just because I manage the site doesn't mean I'm not above being called a fucking asshole or a goddamn moron. There's no hierarchy here. The Dudely Lama is the same as all the other Dudeists. I'm just an editor and amalgamator, not the authority. Please don't pull any punches.
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8^) Yeah, I think Da Stranger and  I just did! 8^)

[forumdude]

ha ha. that's just like your opinion, man. but of course, when i am freezing i am an asshole. i can't believe it's summer here. this is like the dead of winter in LA or the end of the world in Thailand.

Anyway, curious to hear Da Stranger's rebuttal. Also curious to know at whom his diatribe was directed. Seemed a bit over the top to mine eyes.

[cckeiser]

ha ha. that's just like your opinion, man. but of course, when i am freezing i am an asshole. i can't believe it's summer here. this is like the dead of winter in LA or the end of the world in Thailand.

Anyway, curious to hear Da Stranger's rebuttal. Also curious to know at whom his diatribe was directed. Seemed a bit over the top to mine eyes.

Yeah, but then you can be a bit of a reactionary when it comes to defending Dudeism!
I do remember the Dudeism = Buddhism blog.
I think you got called on that one as well! 8^)

Can't really fault you on that though. I can be just as protective of Do No Harm.

[cckeiser]

BTW, sorry to hear you're freezing, but we would love some of that coldness here in the NE of PA. It's 91 here and it's been close to or in the 90's for most of the week.
I don't go out till sundown!

[Rev. Gary (revgms)]

Mang, Satan sat down over here and now we are stuck in his blazing asshole.

I am up in MA, and my house is in ME, first actual heat wave for ME since 99'.

This whole affair has been pretty interesting. And it was that Dudeism=Buddhism debate that sealed the deal for me. Was already ordained but not talking until then, now I probably wont shut up. Sorry 'bout that, think y'all are stuck with me.

[cckeiser]

Mang, Satan sat down over here and now we are stuck in his blazing asshole.

I am up in MA, and my house is in ME, first actual heat wave for ME since 99'.

This whole affair has been pretty interesting. And it was that Dudeism=Buddhism debate that sealed the deal for me. Was already ordained but not talking until then, now I probably wont shut up. Sorry 'bout that, think y'all are stuck with me.

Yeah, it's been one long hot Summer for us, I hope we have a long Fall and a short Winter!
I am rather new here myself, so it feels kind of odd for me to welcome others to this forum, but you got my welcome for what it is worth.

That goes for cakebelly and Da Stranger as well. Heck, that goes for anyone who just joined up and lurking.
Come on dudes roll a few frames!

[cakebelly]

Man, I can't wait for it to cool down, this 100+ heat (here in LA County) is enough to make even the dudeliest Dude 'do a Walter' at the drop of a straw hat.

Thanks for your welcome, cckeiser (and a big hairy welcome to you) - now that my daughters are back at school I should - theoretically - have more time to post. I have rolled a few but they turned out to be gutter-balls. That's the thing with a well broken-in forum: most of what you would have said (or asked) has already been dealt with. However, I do try to turn-up for the games - even if the shoes are rented and I'm using a chipped house ball. 

I have been ordained for nearly two years but rarely visited the forum in that time so I can't say I was much of a lurker - just been abiding and grappling with other things (marriage, children, emigration, etc). Now, I hope, I will be able to devote more thought to the way. 
                                          Take it easy, you cool fuckers

[meekon5]

Hmm. Judges ruling? Anyway, we all dig a little argument. Let's not forget - LETS NOT FORGET - that TBL stars out with a big argument between The Dude and Walter and settles into a nice groove where no grudges are held. That's fucking interesting, man...

By the way, just because I manage the site doesn't mean I'm not above being called a fucking asshole or a goddamn moron. There's no hierarchy here. The Dudely Lama is the same as all the other Dudeists. I'm just an editor and amalgamator, not the authority. Please don't pull any punches.

So to bring the thread back on line.

So what we are saying is Da Stranger is right we are just a bunch of reactionary ex-Buddhist old bastards who spend our time waving our johnsons about trying to out do each other with our jaded homilies, believing everyone is entitled to our opinions.

[forumdude]

Where did Da Stranger go? Further on down the trail?