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Re: State of Ohio rejects Dudeism!? Whoa, wtf man?
« Reply #75 on: September 06, 2012, 07:35:38 PM »
I know this is an old post that i am resurrecting, but I was wondering if there is any word on if this situation has been resolved for the original poster.

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No harm intended, dude. Just a minor change to keep the integrity of your post and to keep this a private residence. By blurring out the addresses your post still made the same point and impact, and the dude's in the list, at least on the forum here, have their privacy maintained. Still say it is a good find, dude. Just keeping things cool on the site, which is my humble duty.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2012, 08:19:52 PM by DigitalBuddha »
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Re: State of Ohio rejects Dudeism!? Whoa, wtf man?
« Reply #76 on: September 06, 2012, 07:38:08 PM »
No breech of privacy, just something called the Sunshine Laws ("any records made or received by any public agency in the course of its official business are available for inspection").  By registering with the state as a minister, that made all of the information you submitted public record.  When I registered, I used a PO box, so no one would show up at my "private residence."



Fuckin' eh, man; use of a PO Box is a good thing.
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Re: State of Ohio rejects Dudeism!? Whoa, wtf man?
« Reply #77 on: September 07, 2012, 12:27:09 AM »
No breech of privacy, just something called the Sunshine Laws ("any records made or received by any public agency in the course of its official business are available for inspection").  By registering with the state as a minister, that made all of the information you submitted public record.  When I registered, I used a PO box, so no one would show up at my "private residence."



Smart to use a PO box. The others on that graphic didn't. As "legit" the Sunshine Laws may be, we should err on the side of caution and not participate in the same indiscriminate behaviour as our governments, specifically, splashing personal information all over the place. As dudes, our attitude to privacy shouldn't reflect the fascist big brother assholes who don't give a shit about the individual. Would you want someone knocking on your door asking "Donny, is this your homework???"   ;-)

Good move DB...

This coming from someone who posts a link to their personal web site on their profile... a web site that lists their business address.  A business they have openly admitted was a home-based business.  So I am confused as to why someone that does that would be upset when the addresses are shown that belong to people who have provided that to a website knowing it is going to be posted for public view.   ???

I am not trying to be difficult, just confused why some folks need to point fingers at people who are trying to help.  I posted the contact information so people who are having these very problems registering with Ohio can contact the people listed for guidance.  It's not like I posted their birth dates or home phone numbers...

I know no one is going to go knocking on their doors asking "Donny is this your homework?".  Since no one here is that disrespectful (and the post could only be viewed by registered members).  Plus, no one ever asked Donny about his homework...they did ask Larry though.  ;D
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Re: State of Ohio rejects Dudeism!? Whoa, wtf man?
« Reply #78 on: September 07, 2012, 01:01:45 AM »
This coming from someone who posts a link to their personal web site on their profile... a web site that lists their business address.  A business they have openly admitted was a home-based business.  So I am confused as to why someone that does that would be upset when the addresses are shown that belong to people who have provided that to a website knowing it is going to be posted for public view.   ???

There is one obvious answer; Hominid posted his address on his site himself, and then linked it in his profile, he choose to do so; the other dudes, while posting their private information on the state's site, didn't choose to do it here. All in all, its really no big deal. I made a small change on the image you posted to preserve some privacy and still keep your post as intact as possible. I mean, what does it matter if you can no longer see the dude's addresses in your post? Your point is still well taken and valid.

Also, Hominid's suggestion was a valid one (whether everyone agrees or not), as would any suggestion from you, Steve dude, even if you are right or wrong, your suggestion would be respected. Hominid suggested that it (the image in your post) violated some privacy and I thought of a way (was no great thing on my part) to keep your post intact and take Hominid's suggestion at the same time. The solution worked for both sides of the issue.

The art of "takin' er easy, dude"...a dude-like concept.

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« Last Edit: September 07, 2012, 02:22:57 AM by DigitalBuddha »
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Re: State of Ohio rejects Dudeism!? Whoa, wtf man?
« Reply #79 on: September 07, 2012, 06:21:00 AM »
No breech of privacy, just something called the Sunshine Laws ("any records made or received by any public agency in the course of its official business are available for inspection").  By registering with the state as a minister, that made all of the information you submitted public record.  When I registered, I used a PO box, so no one would show up at my "private residence."



Smart to use a PO box. The others on that graphic didn't. As "legit" the Sunshine Laws may be, we should err on the side of caution and not participate in the same indiscriminate behaviour as our governments, specifically, splashing personal information all over the place. As dudes, our attitude to privacy shouldn't reflect the fascist big brother assholes who don't give a shit about the individual. Would you want someone knocking on your door asking "Donny, is this your homework???"   ;-)

Good move DB...

This coming from someone who posts a link to their personal web site on their profile... a web site that lists their business address.  A business they have openly admitted was a home-based business.  So I am confused as to why someone that does that would be upset when the addresses are shown that belong to people who have provided that to a website knowing it is going to be posted for public view.   ???

I am not trying to be difficult, just confused why some folks need to point fingers at people who are trying to help.  I posted the contact information so people who are having these very problems registering with Ohio can contact the people listed for guidance.  It's not like I posted their birth dates or home phone numbers...

I know no one is going to go knocking on their doors asking "Donny is this your homework?".  Since no one here is that disrespectful (and the post could only be viewed by registered members).  Plus, no one ever asked Donny about his homework...they did ask Larry though.  ;D
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Re: State of Ohio rejects Dudeism!? Whoa, wtf man?
« Reply #80 on: September 07, 2012, 06:24:40 AM »
If the US freedom of information works like the UK, we did not collect the data so would have to notify the people that we want to publish their details so they can choose to opt out. You may find your "Sunshine laws" only apply to information not people.

As others have said it's always best to err on the side of caution.
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Re: State of Ohio rejects Dudeism!? Whoa, wtf man?
« Reply #81 on: September 07, 2012, 06:26:33 AM »
Dudes - stop getting all uptight over a post.  I'm a licensed minister (ULC) in Ohio and I know that my address is on line for the world to see.  How stupid would someone have to be to re-type addresses from a JPG when all they have to do is go to the Ohio Secretary of State's web site and just cut and paste names all day long?  We're not morons here. 

As for Ohio having some licensed Dudeists - while Ohio has possibly set a precedent, the last thing we would want is for these folks to have their licenses pulled by thise fkn nihilists in Columbus, OH.  A run on the capital is not the answer here.  Please hold tight.  The Dudely Llama is a wise guy -  I mean, wise man and I have great faith that he will find a solution to all of this (no pressure, Olly!)
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Re: State of Ohio rejects Dudeism!? Whoa, wtf man?
« Reply #82 on: September 07, 2012, 06:32:18 AM »
This coming from someone who posts a link to their personal web site on their profile... a web site that lists their business address.  A business they have openly admitted was a home-based business.  So I am confused as to why someone that does that would be upset when the addresses are shown that belong to people who have provided that to a website knowing it is going to be posted for public view.   ???

There is one obvious answer; Hominid posted his address on his site himself, and then linked it in his profile, he choose to do so; the other dudes, while posting their private information on the state's site, didn't choose to do it here. All in all, its really no big deal. I made a small change on the image you posted to preserve some privacy and still keep your post as intact as possible. I mean, what does it matter if you can no longer see the dude's addresses in your post? Your point is still well taken and valid.

Also, Hominid's suggestion was a valid one (whether everyone agrees or not), as would any suggestion from you, Steve dude, even if you are right or wrong, your suggestion would be respected. Hominid suggested that it (the image in your post) violated some privacy and I thought of a way (was no great thing on my part) to keep your post intact and take Hominid's suggestion at the same time. The solution worked for both sides of the issue.

The art of "takin' er easy, dude"...a dude-like concept.

No worries, dude. Don't let it park in your brain. ;)

I have past professional experience with medical records, both writing them as a nurse, and storing them electronically as a unix systems administrator... and I've  taught a class or two on privacy ethics. Legally, if someone's personal information is made public without their consent, legal mitigation can follow if it can be shown that there was no obvious waiver of privacy. I wouldn't have a clue if those dudes knew their personal info was public, but my instincts screamed "NO!". So again, best to err on the side of caution.



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Re: State of Ohio rejects Dudeism!? Whoa, wtf man?
« Reply #83 on: September 07, 2012, 01:17:36 PM »
Yes, yes, HIPAA is cool.  I dig your ethos, man...

Since the graphic is no longer posted, let's move on to the main strand of this post:  How to get Ohio to recognize The Church of the Latter-Day Dude.

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Re: State of Ohio rejects Dudeism!? Whoa, wtf man?
« Reply #84 on: September 07, 2012, 04:16:34 PM »
Yes, yes, HIPAA is cool.  I dig your ethos, man...

Since the graphic is no longer posted, let's move on to the main strand of this post:  How to get Ohio to recognize The Church of the Latter-Day Dude.

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Re: State of Ohio rejects Dudeism!? Whoa, wtf man?
« Reply #85 on: November 25, 2012, 08:28:55 AM »
Ok, it seems like one of the main hurdles here would be that there isn't a regular place of worship in Ohio for dudeists.  The question then is what would it take to have a regular worship?  If I get 5 people together once a week for a few months to talk about life over some chicken wings and beer does that constitute worship?  Or maybe bowl ten frames and call it "communion."

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Re: State of Ohio rejects Dudeism!? Whoa, wtf man?
« Reply #86 on: November 25, 2012, 12:00:17 PM »
Absolutely dude.I've been doing it for a couple of years now.Don't preach dude, just show the way.
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Re: State of Ohio rejects Dudeism!? Whoa, wtf man?
« Reply #87 on: January 08, 2013, 02:28:48 PM »
I recently jumped through a few hoops with Nevada, listed my home address as "place of worship", paperwork went though fine. Nevada is another one with a long to-do list for this kind of thing, let me know if I can help.

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Re: State of Ohio rejects Dudeism!? Whoa, wtf man?
« Reply #88 on: August 18, 2013, 06:51:05 PM »
I don't mean to suggest anything that requires an un-dudely amount of action, but online petitions have done a lot of work lately. I've worked on some national campaigns to change BSA policy and that worked pretty well. I think a change.org petition to Ohio government listing the reasons we qualify as a legitimate church could actually work. Any opinions on whether or not I should do that?

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« Reply #89 on: August 18, 2013, 10:30:23 PM »
I don't mean to suggest anything that requires an un-dudely amount of action, but online petitions have done a lot of work lately. I've worked on some national campaigns to change BSA policy and that worked pretty well. I think a change.org petition to Ohio government listing the reasons we qualify as a legitimate church could actually work. Any opinions on whether or not I should do that?

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