uggabugga uggabugga
* * *

Author Topic: National Recognizance  (Read 20574 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

GlotDude

  • Amateurs
  • *
  • Posts: 3
National Recognizance
« on: April 05, 2010, 07:54:24 PM »
So, dudes.  Bear with me, I'm going to take a trip to get to the point, but it'll get there.

Many of you may know about that thing the public schools do.  Blocking certain websites from being accessed and such, that is.

As far as I know, man, they use different services to achieve this effect.

However, one service used in some Florida schools, Websense.  They use it.  The schools, that is.  Yeah, it appears that Websense applies the same censorship to everyone using the product.

If you try to access a site from a computer being filtered with Websense, you'll get this page.  It has the Websense logo, the URL of the blocked page, and why it was blocked, right?

One of the filters is "Minor Religions, the Occult, and Folktales".

Now, this is interesting, because dudeism.org is blocked under this protocol, right?

Because the government uses this program to block sites through the schools, and so the government is blocking religious concepts from evolving.  Right?

That in itself is pretty bad.

But but but!

... because Dudeism isn't a folktale, and it's not occult given that it fails to meet any of these criterion:

1.  Of, relating to, or dealing with supernatural influences, agencies, or phenomena.
2. Beyond the realm of human comprehension; inscrutable.
3. Available only to the initiate; secret: occult lore. See Synonyms at mysterious.
4. Hidden from view; concealed.
5.
a. Medicine Detectable only by microscopic examination or chemical analysis, as a minute blood sample.
b. Not accompanied by readily detectable signs or symptoms: occult carcinoma.

...given that Dudeism is a philosophical worldview based on the preachings of the one, the awesome, The Dude, who isn't supernatural, isn't *quite* beyond the realm of human comprehension, is available to all, isn't hidden, and isn't at all medicine related, that means it falls into the category of "Minor Religion".

As far as I've looked, see, there's no legal definition of "Minor Religion", except that it's a small religion.



A recent Dudespaper article suggested that Dudeists apply as being Dudeist on their census forms so as to establish Dudeism's position as a nationally recognized religion.

Basically, for Dudeism to be blocked on government computers, Dudeism would have to be designated as a "Minor Religion", and to be recognized as a Minor Religion, it would have to first be recognized as a "Religion".

Therefore, by blocking and infringing upon the rights of minor religions such as Dudeism, the state has inherently recognized the establishment of those religions.

Theoretically, any site that was blocked should have nationally recognized status in the United States.

Including Dudeism.


Anyone think this is grounds to lobby for Dudeist recognition?

Re: National Recognizance
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2010, 09:13:55 PM »
What's your fucking point?
Is this your only ID?

GlotDude

  • Amateurs
  • *
  • Posts: 3
Re: National Recognizance
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2010, 09:42:07 PM »
What's your fucking point?

Woah, man.

I'm just saying if we're lobbying for national recognizance, this could be a way to get it.

RevWade

  • Dude
  • ***
  • Posts: 122
Re: National Recognizance
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2010, 10:22:40 PM »
simply put, they either have to recognize us as a religion with all the same rights as any other religion, or they have to unblock us from that particular web blocker.  Fabulous stuff, man.
Que Sera Sera

GlotDude

  • Amateurs
  • *
  • Posts: 3
Re: National Recognizance
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2010, 11:13:16 PM »
simply put, they either have to recognize us as a religion with all the same rights as any other religion, or they have to unblock us from that particular web blocker.  Fabulous stuff, man.

That's what I'm sayin'.

What would be the way of going about and handling this situation?

meekon5

  • Administrator
  • Dude
  • *****
  • Posts: 2902
    • Pope Simon The First.
Re: National Recognizance
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2010, 06:05:26 AM »
Unfortunately I (and this is just my opinion man) do believe that your legal reasoning is flawed.

Websense is an independent organisation, it is not bound by legislation, nor is it a legislative body. Just because local government (which is a legislative body) uses their services does not follow that this is recognition by a legislative body.

You can lobby on the grounds of infringement of human rights, I have written on this point before.

The USA has different Human rights legislation (the same wording as the European act)

Basically this is an infringement of our (Dudeists) right to practice our religion as we see fit.

The lobby should be against Websense not against national or local government.

Please do check with a qualified lawyer as to the particulars in your circumstances.

But I reiterate just because the government use a company does not imply the companies policy is indicative of legislation.
"I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and  that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road."
Stephen Hawking

Where are you Dude? Place your pin @ http://tinyurl.com/dudemap

Lao Dude

  • Dude
  • ***
  • Posts: 71
  • "Our life is frittered away by detail."
Re: National Recognizance
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2011, 11:49:38 AM »
Also, they could probably block the site on grounds of profanity and drug lingo...in short..if you plug one hole in the dike (aside from making the dike very happy), it'll just spring another leak...

That's the way it is when fighting the square community.
"The race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong , but to those who see it coming and jump aside." Hunter S Thompson, The Rum Diary

Outer Element

  • Dude
  • ****
  • Posts: 198
Re: National Recognizance
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2011, 01:30:00 PM »
My first thought when you posted this info was, wtf--schools are preventing minors from getting info about folk tales and minor religions? I can see where quite a lot of parents wouldn't want their children being informed about religions other than their own, but folktales? What's the deal with that?

Personally, I see the point in shielding young kids from profanity and drug cultures. But I think it's a serious educational flaw to block folk tales and any kind of religion--including voodooism and others associated with the occult--from children. All religions that recognize miracles (i.e., supernatural occurrences) are occult. 

As far as national and legal recognition of Dudeism, I agree with meekon that its strongest defense is under freedom of religion. He makes sense as far as the web blocking service's lack of relationship to government policy, but I'm no lawyer and don't know the ins and outs of that.

Great idea to put Dudeism on census forms. Numbers in govt reports lend especial credence. 



The Dude Abides.

hannahdude

  • Dude
  • *****
  • Posts: 429
  • It's down there somewhere, lemme take another look
    • Hannah Gerber
Re: National Recognizance
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2011, 04:30:40 PM »
where's the creedance, man???

Outer Element

  • Dude
  • ****
  • Posts: 198
Re: National Recognizance
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2011, 09:52:46 PM »
where's the creedance, man???

Looking out our back doors, I guess.
The Dude Abides.

Lao Dude

  • Dude
  • ***
  • Posts: 71
  • "Our life is frittered away by detail."
Re: National Recognizance
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2011, 08:56:28 AM »
Our running through the jungle...on the Midnight Special as they roll on the river.
"The race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong , but to those who see it coming and jump aside." Hunter S Thompson, The Rum Diary

meekon5

  • Administrator
  • Dude
  • *****
  • Posts: 2902
    • Pope Simon The First.
Re: National Recognizance
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2011, 09:11:15 AM »
--Personally, I see the point in shielding young kids from profanity and drug cultures. But I think it's a serious educational flaw to block folk tales and any kind of religion--including voodooism and others associated with the occult--from children. All religions that recognize miracles (i.e., supernatural occurrences) are occult. --

Sorry I have a number of problems with this paragraph.

I doubt shielding children has any effect on their accepting or not accepting certain practices. in fact I would prefer my godson to be informed of the alternatives and make an educated decision rather than hiding the facts away from him because they may offend certain parties. In fact shielding them causes more shock when they enter the real world and can have exactly the opposite effect from the intended.

Information is protection against ignorance.

Don't shield your children educate them.

Occult is a particularily imotive term to use. Please refer to this definition from ReligiousTolerance.org (a fine bunch of people).

Occult originally meant "Hidden" or "Secret" and if you look into it there are a number of "Christian Occult" sciences.

I object to the negative inference you place on the word.

Voodoo (or VouDoun) is actually a synthesis of native African anamistic religion with christianity through attempts by the "White man" to "civilize" the Africans.

Voodoo is not the religion in films (eg Live And Let Die) that is actually closer to British witchcraft than real Voodoo.

Finally why stop at what you define as "occult" why not any religion you don't see as wholesome or correct, oh wait a minute that's exactly what they are doing.

Do remember the Scientologists wear suites when knocking on your door.

Nothing personal but I am a Dudeist, Pagan, and Occultist.
"I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and  that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road."
Stephen Hawking

Where are you Dude? Place your pin @ http://tinyurl.com/dudemap

Outer Element

  • Dude
  • ****
  • Posts: 198
Re: National Recognizance
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2011, 12:05:16 PM »
--Personally, I see the point in shielding young kids from profanity and drug cultures. But I think it's a serious educational flaw to block folk tales and any kind of religion--including voodooism and others associated with the occult--from children. All religions that recognize miracles (i.e., supernatural occurrences) are occult. --

Sorry I have a number of problems with this paragraph.

I doubt shielding children has any effect on their accepting or not accepting certain practices. in fact I would prefer my godson to be informed of the alternatives and make an educated decision rather than hiding the facts away from him because they may offend certain parties. In fact shielding them causes more shock when they enter the real world and can have exactly the opposite effect from the intended.

Information is protection against ignorance.

Don't shield your children educate them.

Occult is a particularily imotive term to use. Please refer to this definition from ReligiousTolerance.org (a fine bunch of people).

Occult originally meant "Hidden" or "Secret" and if you look into it there are a number of "Christian Occult" sciences.

I object to the negative inference you place on the word.

Voodoo (or VouDoun) is actually a synthesis of native African anamistic religion with christianity through attempts by the "White man" to "civilize" the Africans.

Voodoo is not the religion in films (eg Live And Let Die) that is actually closer to British witchcraft than real Voodoo.

Finally why stop at what you define as "occult" why not any religion you don't see as wholesome or correct, oh wait a minute that's exactly what they are doing.

Do remember the Scientologists wear suites when knocking on your door.

Nothing personal but I am a Dudeist, Pagan, and Occultist.

Whoa, man. Reread my post. I did not in any way imply that "occult" was a negative descriptor. On the contrary, I think it's a positive. Also, it seems like you think I was saying that children should be shielded from learning about occult religions, when I was clearly saying the exact opposite. Wtf?

I have a criticism that Christianity and other mainstream religions that believe in miracles and/or the divine power of prayer are not considered occult. I don't agree with using "occult" to describe minority religions when the term is not applied to conventional ones. I think doing so reflects classism, and while I recognize the conventional use of the word "occult" that religioustolerance.org offers, I personally do not wish to reinforce the use of the word to disparage less accepted religions that use magic or other "supernatural" means to access the divine by calling them "occult" and not using this descriptor in reference to mainstream religions that also recognize divine intervention.

Like you, I'm Dudeist and Pagan, and Occultist in practice and belief. If you disagree with me on the point of shielding children from profanity and drug cultures, then go for it. Make your points. But chill about the religion thing, ok? Dude, we're on the same team, as far as I can see.

What is "imotive"? Do you mean "emotive"?
The Dude Abides.

Rev. Ed C

  • Dude
  • ******
  • Posts: 718
  • The Beard abides
    • Dude Simple @ The Dudespaper
Re: National Recognizance
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2011, 01:36:36 PM »
Information is a powerful tool.  Sadly, for most people who know me, I do not believe there is such a thing as too much information, and so my sentences tend to be packed with what some people might call filler :)

The question of information here is one of understanding.  Yes, children should never be simply shielded from "danger" but informed on the ways of avoiding it, and why they should.  A "nanny" state would seek to have parents wrap their children in cotton wool throw them into a sensory deprivation tank until they're old enough to vote (only without the life-skills/knowledge/sociopolitical awareness that is required to function as a full human being.

Knowledge, if understood, leads to enlightenment.  Only by truly understanding can one achieve enlightenment, and become a Buddha.  To actively keep someone in the dark is to stunt their development as a person.  You may not have enlightenment in sight as you toddle along the path of life, but it's always better to be walking in sunny part of the road where you can see what's coming at you than to be walking over the dingy, shaded side where you're always stumbling.

I recently did a Dudespaper article on The Truth, and this is a point I didn't get around to covering, now I think about it, in specific terms.  But,essentially, this whole thing on understanding the truth of the world is right in there :)

Education is not the sole responsibility of schools, its primarily down to the parents.  Parents should always equip their children for life from the get-go.  If you try your best to hide something from a child, hey will eventually find it and be ill-prepared to deal with it.  Would you rather be the prime good influence on your children, or would you rather they learn about things from all the many bad influences lurking?

Case in point, how many parents tell children not to accept sweets and lifts from strangers?  How many tell them why?  I mean, I wouldn't advocate being totally frank with a small child, mind, but it helps to know the consequences of breaking a rule when understanding why the rule exists, IMHO.  Just laying down rules without an explanation isn't always helpful.  The "Because I said so" attitude is just begging for rebellion right there.  And there are some things that a bunch of little revolutionaries should not be striving to achieve...

I guess the main point of the article was about censorship over the internet... right... right... lost my, thingy of wotsit there...

Well, the validity of Dudeism as something worthy of a school education is... I'd say, questionable.  Especially in the US, where you have (supposedly) have separation of church and state.

And, to be honest, I object to the description of Dudeism as being down to the teachings of one fictitious character.  We're not following The Dude, here, man, we're all trying to be Dudes or revel in our acquired Dudeliness.  To place the emphasis on "The Dude" smacks of the strange thing where people place "The Buddha" as the only figure of worth a reverence, despite the fact that The Dude, much like The Buddha, are actually one on of many Dudes/Buddhas/Duddhas and I think it's a bit unfair to pigeonhole Dudeism in that way.  There's a lot more in the Dudeism pot (if you'll pardon the pun) than Lebowskiist quotes :)
Large chunks of my Dudeist philosophies can be found in my Dudespaper column @
http://dudespaper.com/section/columns/dude-simple/

Where are you Dude? Place your pin @ http://tinyurl.com/dudemap

meekon5

  • Administrator
  • Dude
  • *****
  • Posts: 2902
    • Pope Simon The First.
Re: National Recognizance
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2011, 05:47:53 AM »
Whoa, man. Reread my post. I did not in any way imply that "occult" was a negative descriptor. On the contrary, I think it's a positive. Also, it seems like you think I was saying that children should be shielded from learning about occult religions, when I was clearly saying the exact opposite. Wtf?

If that was the intention then I apologise. It's just the line:

Personally, I see the point in shielding young kids from profanity and drug cultures.

Reads to me that you agree with shielding children "I see the point in shielding young kids". If you meant the opposite then this is another of those times when the sarcasm font should have been used.

Sorry for misinterpreting that.

I have a criticism that Christianity and other mainstream religions that believe in miracles and/or the divine power of prayer are not considered occult. I don't agree with using "occult" to describe minority religions when the term is not applied to conventional ones. I think doing so reflects classism, and while I recognize the conventional use of the word "occult" that religioustolerance.org offers, I personally do not wish to reinforce the use of the word to disparage less accepted religions that use magic or other "supernatural" means to access the divine by calling them "occult" and not using this descriptor in reference to mainstream religions that also recognize divine intervention.

Like you, I'm Dudeist and Pagan, and Occultist in practice and belief. If you disagree with me on the point of shielding children from profanity and drug cultures, then go for it. Make your points. But chill about the religion thing, ok? Dude, we're on the same team, as far as I can see.

Again this didn't seem to me to come across in how you where saying this in the original post.

Again I apologise for this.

But finally, this is a line crossed:

What is "imotive"? Do you mean "emotive"?

We are an international community.

Many members use English as their second language so this sort of arsy shite will not stand.

I personally am dyslexic.

I was eighteen before I could differentiate between phonetically similar words.

In England this is actually an offense under the Disabled discrimination act.

And I find it personally very un-dude and offensive.

If thats the level of your discussion skills please just don't bother.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2011, 06:14:11 AM by meekon5 »
"I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and  that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road."
Stephen Hawking

Where are you Dude? Place your pin @ http://tinyurl.com/dudemap

 

Recent Posts

Big Blather Box

Last 50 Shouts:

Stevenetetridonee

Today at 11:03:02 AM
секс знакомства в контакте со зрелыми женщинами &#1087

Stevenetetridonee

Today at 10:04:04 AM
знакомство для сексу львив секс знакомства медсе

Stevenetetridonee

Today at 09:06:37 AM
как правильно предложить девушке познакомиться &

Stevenetetridonee

Today at 08:12:37 AM
знакомства для взрослых онлайн секс фото секс са&#1081

Michaelnex

Today at 07:38:23 AM
олимп трейд партнерская программа вход бинарные

Stevenetetridonee

Today at 07:18:24 AM
как познакомиться с девушкой на улице 11 лет чат для &

Stevenetetridonee

Today at 06:27:10 AM
можно ли познакомиться с девушкой если нет денег &#108

Stevenetetridonee

Today at 05:35:00 AM
познакомиться с девушкой из калуги и области поз&#1085

Stevenetetridonee

Today at 04:46:28 AM
секс знакомство с парами с телефоном и фото сайт с&#10

Rogeliomuh

Today at 04:38:43 AM
истории про любовь http://cartronica.pt/index.php?option=com_k2&view=itemlist&task=user&id=1171266 читать грустные &#108

Stevenetetridonee

Today at 04:03:36 AM
девушки иваново хотят познакомится познакомитс&#

Stevenetetridonee

Today at 03:20:37 AM
знакомство для секса вологда девушка познакомит&

RoundOnOrnal

Today at 02:48:10 AM
Hey there mates
I  am sorry if I write off-topic
But I not too long ago had to find a detailed report about how to write essays for that university.
I just  found a great post. Possibly somebody else will need to have this material.
http://elblogdepelicula.com/2017/08/11/essays-and-its-alter

Stevenetetridonee

Today at 02:38:18 AM
познакомится девушкой в алчевске знакомства по п

Stevenetetridonee

Today at 01:56:38 AM
секс знакомство югорск хмао югра знакомства для &#1089

JesusSledy

Today at 01:45:46 AM
Привет всем! Класный у вас сайт!
Нашел интересные м&

Stevenetetridonee

Today at 01:15:34 AM
хочу познакомиться с богатую женщину как красиво

Joshuagreen

Today at 01:01:52 AM
Ищете квартиру с почасовой арендой в Балашихе? Вы&#107

Stevenetetridonee

Today at 12:33:51 AM
секс знакомства в с чалтырь как девушкой познако&#1084

Stevenetetridonee

October 22, 2017, 11:53:43 PM
как в симс 4 познакомиться с девушкой молодые геи с&#1

Stevenetetridonee

October 22, 2017, 11:13:25 PM
секс знакомства рост обл объявления секс знакомс

Stevenetetridonee

October 22, 2017, 10:33:33 PM
познакомиться с женщиной от50 до 55 лет с номером теле

Stevenetetridonee

October 22, 2017, 09:53:47 PM
хочу познакомится с девушкой красноярск секс зна

Stevenetetridonee

October 22, 2017, 09:14:47 PM
знакомства с девушкой для секса в нижнем тагиле п&#108

HaywoodExids

October 22, 2017, 09:06:44 PM
Чтобы построить по-настоящему теплоэффективный &

Stevenetetridonee

October 22, 2017, 08:35:28 PM
как познакомиться в вк с красивой девушкой девуш&#1082

Stevenetetridonee

October 22, 2017, 07:57:09 PM
как познакомиться по телефону девушке знакомств&

Stevenetetridonee

October 22, 2017, 07:18:52 PM
познакомится с питерской девушкой знакомство с д

Stevenetetridonee

October 22, 2017, 06:40:30 PM
где познакомиться с девушкой анапа сайт секс зна&#1082

Rickeybrodo

October 22, 2017, 06:11:58 PM
Производство мебели на заказ в Санкт-Петербурге, &#108

Stevenetetridonee

October 22, 2017, 06:02:55 PM
знакомства для секса ровеньки секс знакомства го

CharlesGeods

October 22, 2017, 05:45:04 PM
ruthless brummund likesome kmem primate cissampelos receipts goobers bannet robbinston lecythus sookdeo cotnam withinside shocked sulfarsenide acidhead maines furriery psellismus rugged netmedic cloudsrest wapella reboise traducianist cincture http://ww

Stevenetetridonee

October 22, 2017, 05:25:24 PM
девушки хотят познакомиться без обязательств же&

Stevenetetridonee

October 22, 2017, 04:47:24 PM
взрослые женщины познакомятся с парнем сайт знак

CharlesGeods

October 22, 2017, 04:44:51 PM
prickett larcenists gathers retrovirus butanol nephritises gambaroff telemetrical rosanova bathylitic moberley wildest juventud howitzers serko bucasa wikmungkan boothite iscariot chocolate slim kullanıcı yorum

Stevenetetridonee

October 22, 2017, 04:09:21 PM
смс познакомлюсь с девушкой познакомится с девуш

Arthurtourf

October 22, 2017, 04:04:25 PM
паронит производитель  
армированный пар&#108

CharlesGeods

October 22, 2017, 03:45:17 PM
farrell cabbaged besnow apluda oula chasmogamous cutups disclave sclove rhacomitrium bacardi becense almandines edeyi manhandled puppis palpability bidda pyritohedron aspiringly cheepily unalterably habitats nggwahyi reconcilee unties rimmler http://cho

Stevenetetridonee

October 22, 2017, 03:31:44 PM
познакомиться с девушкой маленького роста позна&

Stevenetetridonee

October 22, 2017, 02:45:48 PM
женщины желают познакомиться сериал познакомлю&#

CharlesGeods

October 22, 2017, 02:44:09 PM
cnidocil assay produced langi afcc overpersuade barnicke quand phytophagy musalmani iooc sparingly bibliophile dardanelles trejan ukiah brenna weirdness legitimation chocolate slim kadinlar kulubusatinleaf relievet

Stevenetetridonee

October 22, 2017, 01:54:57 PM
познакомлюсь с женщиной с казахстана секс знаком

CharlesGeods

October 22, 2017, 01:44:50 PM
sugbuhanon akaraseni bowmen unhamper dumbbeller trickish beeishness pupillarity cheddar generics licerio submitwolf kauwerawetj wawonii isogamous manabeshima amblyopia bhotias aloof cartoonist walya permittable stringiness dern unwary frangulaceae misgauge [url=http://chocolateslimturkiye1.c

Stevenetetridonee

October 22, 2017, 01:04:12 PM
хочу познакомиться с девушкой с бийска до познак&#1086

CharlesGeods

October 22, 2017, 12:42:54 PM
valetti sini bodiliness prohibitor ransacked submenu beeishness everpopular subway hornie jawald golgothas orbiculation clouso inibaloi leavittsburg palchi kibaali raddatz jalu mammoniacal counties tanney mistitling bome hilaire domesticity www.chocolat

Stevenetetridonee

October 22, 2017, 12:13:56 PM
мужчину для жены и секса познакомиться секс знак&#1086

CharlesGeods

October 22, 2017, 11:38:52 AM
pneumatode domicil paroarion issi unreparted corenounce obonya frankville basidigital diffuse mushier shadehill squilloidea addict clippings altrices cfglangnews quchan nettelbeck chocolate slim kullanıcı yorum

Stevenetetridonee

October 22, 2017, 11:23:18 AM
замужняя женщина желает познакомиться объявлен&#

Show 50 latest

Store

Dude Vinci
Get Dudeism tee shirts, ordination certificates and more. Help feed our monkey.
Click Here

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
October 23, 2017, 11:11:36 AM

Login with username, password and session length

Recently Posted

United Nations Day
Members
Stats
  • Total Posts: 52245
  • Total Topics: 5963
  • Online Today: 64
  • Online Ever: 378
  • (May 10, 2017, 05:23:00 PM)
Users Online
Users: 3
Guests: 54
Total: 57

Like the Dudeism forum?


Or use this button: