To throw bowling balls only when it's the only option remained. Don't hit first but always hit last.

Oh fuck, this is probably a bit uptight. Or is it not? As regards defending basic rights or freedoms I mean. 

Beside the holy idiot and the lemonade attitude things (thanks to M5 and DB) we should add Respect, in the sense given by Native Americans, if this is the correct nomenclature.

Respect encompasses a lot of things: from letting others expressing their opinions, to letting others do what they want if they don't cross lines (consenting adults), respecting others' rugs, letting others living their own life as they wish (always if they don't cross lines of course), not thinking that the world start and stops at your own convenience, respecting ourselves, the others, the planet......

A Dude Minds, and Respects.

Sounds it good?

Respect is a key thing indeed!

I don't come from the school that respect is earned, I believe DISrespect is earned.

All people are equal and deserve respect unless they go out of their way to earn disrespect, through harsh words or actions.  Even then I've always been one to respect people as human beings, even if their personal respect has lapsed in my eyes.

Take what happened to Saddam as a good example.  He might have been a mass-murdering dictator who abused his people, and lost all respect as a person in my eyes... but, he was still a human being, and treating him as the Iraqui's did in the end was disrespectful to life.  When someone's lost all respect as a person, you need to work back from the basic respect you should have for life to try and make them a respectable person again.

I'm so glad that Egypt is going down this route, and I hope Libya will follow suit once they have Gadaffi.  Respect for the human being!  Without that respect, you're just another heartless killer like them, so I believe.

@ Rev. Ed C

Abide
To take it easy, not being uptight of mind or body.
To remain limber and supple of thinking, open like a book, not closed like a door.
To tolerate and respect others, to greet with a smile and embrace with a laugh.

That's a worthy start, Rev. Ed. Very limber thoughts.

Thanks, DB, and others, it was a good first draft, but with more input and thinking, together we'll get it right

And let's not forget Dudes' love for simplicity.

Have a great weekend.

That's interesting, that's f****ng interesting. Thanks for the notes dude.

1) Please try to be nice to each other. Even if you're sure you're right and you think the other person is a nitwit.
2) If someone isn't nice to you, it's a great opportunity to exercise your own Dudeist muscles by not reacting with indignation or anger.
3) We're all different. The only thing we have in common is that we all want the world to be a little more Dude. Let's try to inject Dudeness into our posts whenever possible. A little Dude goes a long way.
   
I like this one too. Otherwise this thread is a most excellent read.

~thinkingdude

These are valid points, but we're looking for something more general and succinct, like, "Don't Panic" and "You, be cool, everybody be cool", only not from radio series or Hollywood movies

Thanks for restarting the discussion, been a little stale on here the last few weeks, kudos!

...and maybe if it harms none.....

You may have missed some of the discussion on this particular point.

CC and Duddha yes it is a beautiful and worthy ethic, and I admire you both for trying to live life that way, but as usual (it being a favourite crusade of CC's) my point was missed.

I don't object to your ethic what I object to is the statement that was made:

Quote from: Duddha on July 31, 2011, 06:45:23 AM

Abiding= enlightened hedonism.

1. Do no harm
2. Enjoy life!

For you yes, your abidance may be so, but for me no.

I am very happy for the pair of you in your "Do No Harm" ethic, go fourth and live your lives as shinning examples of this life style, I admire the fact that you share a dream of a better world, but much as I have problems with "prayer", and "evangelism", I also do not see "do no harm" as part of my abidance, and do not see any of these as essential to Dudeism.

I'm sorry no matter how many times you quote http://youtu.be/q3Xy8YaJH5U, you still have failed to convince me, as a credo it over simplifies the beauty and intricacy of life that includes both the yin and yang of violence and harm.

All you are doing here is evangelising a point of view that I have given due consideration to and find lacking.

Much like the Dudeist Christians, I have no problem with the Dudeist No Harmers, or Dudeist Enlightened Hedonists, but please stop trying to tell me what my abidance should be.

I abide as I abide, you abide as you abide.

I go against my own creed and finally say:

Abiding = Wu Wei

Do without doing, be without interfering. Abidance is taking the water course way.

No, actually I haven't missed the point,  but being lazy I have put dots instead of finishing the sentence which was "if it harms none do what you will". Which can also be seen as "between consenting adults everything is their own business", or "until you cross a line do wtf you want", and so on.

While do no harm is not strictly related to abiding it is nevertheless a cool practice, this doesn't mean that if someone pisses on your rug it isn't right to throw a bowling ball to him. If it means don't hit first is cool, and pretty dudely I think, and still fits into the Yin Yang thing. As I understand it do no harm is about not harming first, or unchecked, not being a sap. 

So: Don't be uptight
      Abide
      Take it Easy

      Respect
      Be kind
      Smile

Am I wrong?