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Music / Townes VanZandt
« Last post by BikerDude on April 17, 2015, 08:55:47 AM »
Sometimes the word "Genius" is pitched around a bit much.
But in the case of TVZ I'd say it's deserved.
Yeah he's the guy singing Dead Flowers at the end of The Big L movie.

On his influence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3O2NbsCJsk

Rake by TVZ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx4PsxUvMqY

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I used to wake and run with the moon
I lived like a rake and a young man
I covered my lovers with flowers and wounds
My laughter, the Devil would frighten

The sun, she would come and beat me back down
But every cruel day had its nightfall
I'd welcome the stars with wine and guitars
Full of fire and forgetful

My body was sharp, the dark air clean
And outrage my joyful companion
Whisperin' women, how sweet did they seem
Kneelin' for me to command them

And time was like water but I was the sea
I'd have never noticed it passin'
Except for the turnin' of night into day
And the turnin' of day into cursin'

You look at me now and don't think I don't know
What all your eyes are a sayin'
Does he want us to believe these ravings and lies
They're just tricks that his brains been a playin'?

A lover of women, he can't hardly stand
He trembles, he's bent and he's broken
I've fallen it's true but I say unto you
Hold your tongues until after I've spoken

I was takin' my pride in the pleasures I'd known
I laughed and thought I'd be forgiven
But my laughter turned 'round eyes blazing and
Said my friend, we're holdin' a wedding

I buried my face but it spoke once again
The night to the day we're a bindin'
And now the dark air is like fire on my skin
And even the moonlight is blinding
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Music / Re: All apologies by Kurt Cobain
« Last post by LarrySellers97 on April 17, 2015, 06:19:05 AM »
Forgive me for being out of my element , but what's the video about ?
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Funny Shtuff / Re: The Burger speaks...
« Last post by DigitalBuddha on April 17, 2015, 03:40:04 AM »
Zesty coitus!
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Great Dudes in History / Re: A boss who is a dude in the truest sense?
« Last post by BikerDude on April 16, 2015, 02:00:31 PM »
I don't disagree with much of that in principle, BikerDude. However, it's circular and impractical unless we can somehow fumble our way towards a functioning representative government. That's the trick. It's a bit like saying we don't know whether communism works because it's never been tried. The problem is that both entities (a functioning representative government and communism) are ideals which, in practice, prove demonstrably contrary to human nature. What you end up with - what we have - is a fascist student counsel running the world for the benefit of their friends. I'll trust the corporations, thanks; though it's admittedly not much better.

Also, that definition of Smith's theories ("Firms, in the pursuit of profits, are led, as if by an invisible hand, to do what is best for the world") is really, really, bad. Stiglitz made his name on attacking the free-market, though. And, honestly, he probably treated the subject more fairly in the underlying work, itself. This definition is little better than a straw-man.

Ideals are never realized in purity. They are an illustration of principles.
The pendulum swings and currently we are very far from a representative government.
We have been much closer.
The version that saw the birth of the American middle class. It has worked.
It's been eroded over the years. Hell if judged by his actions Nixon would be a liberal today. That's a laugh.
The problem with this new anti government stance is that it essentially becomes an anti "form of government". That I'm not down with.
As you've said. If people took the constitution seriously we'd be better off. And also if they took the democratic principles of our form of government seriously we'd be better off.
The truth is that our government is what we make it. Or more correctly what we accept.
Human nature is a tricky thing. I'm always amazed that the way people perceive their relationship with the government. It illustrates the mystifying tendency of people to subject themselves to the authority of kings.
But the important point is that the more representative the government the more successful the society. I really can't think of any notable society where that didn't hold up. So in that sense it's in human nature. Not individual human nature.
Not class human nature. But in the nature of nations.
There is a selfish tendency to unravel that on the part of the powerful and it inevitably leads to ruin.

It's the social contract really. Rousseau.
It's about balance. Power money beer you name it.
Cut off the beer and the peasants will be revolting.


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Great Dudes in History / Re: A boss who is a dude in the truest sense?
« Last post by jgiffin on April 16, 2015, 01:46:41 PM »
I don't disagree with much of that in principle, BikerDude. However, it's circular and impractical unless we can somehow fumble our way towards a functioning representative government. That's the trick. It's a bit like saying we don't know whether communism works because it's never been tried. The problem is that both entities (a functioning representative government and communism) are ideals which, in practice, prove demonstrably contrary to human nature. What you end up with - what we have - is a fascist student counsel running the world for the benefit of their friends. I'll trust the corporations, thanks; though it's admittedly not much better.

Also, that definition of Smith's theories ("Firms, in the pursuit of profits, are led, as if by an invisible hand, to do what is best for the world") is really, really, bad. Stiglitz made his name on attacking the free-market, though. And, honestly, he probably treated the subject more fairly in the underlying work, itself. This definition is little better than a straw-man.
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Music / Re: All apologies by Kurt Cobain
« Last post by BikerDude on April 16, 2015, 01:42:43 PM »
Yeah.
He probably shouldn't have put that shotgun in his mouth ha?
I dug Nirvana some.
Sad.


How bout Steven Jesse Bernstein from the same time and place? Very far out stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgVs_U0QHNE

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Forum Stuff / Re: Lots of 404s on Dudeism.com
« Last post by BikerDude on April 16, 2015, 01:31:31 PM »
yeah, we've been trying to deal with that for the last few weeks. every now and then a file gets corrupted that brings down everything but the homepage. just installed some software that we hope will help

Wow. Now that's a time saver.
Anyone who wonders can now read Forum Dude's personal text for the explanation.
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Forum Stuff / Re: Lots of 404s on Dudeism.com
« Last post by forumdude on April 16, 2015, 11:17:58 AM »
yeah, we've been trying to deal with that for the last few weeks. every now and then a file gets corrupted that brings down everything but the homepage. just installed some software that we hope will help
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Great Dudes in History / Re: A boss who is a dude in the truest sense?
« Last post by BikerDude on April 16, 2015, 08:21:58 AM »
Good points. The playing field certainly needs to be leveled. Right now, it's like 90% of the population is bowling uphill while 10% are bowling downhill. I wonder whose score will be higher?

However, I think the leveling is best accomplished by removing restrictions, deconstructing barriers to competition, lowering costs of entry into business, and  revising the tax code and other laws (including those on immigration), rather than imposing them on someone else. Putting chains on the beast won't do - time has proven the beast will either break them use them to shackle someone else.  We had a pretty good start on that, called it a Constitution, but people forgot all about it.

The hill then goes to 90 degrees.
That is EXACTLY the fiction that all that money and influence is expended to promote.
We've seen where unregulated capitalism leads. It was called the great depression.
No real economists give any credence what so ever to the power of the "invisible hand".
It's a fiction. Without a representative government acting as a moderating force and ideally a healthy collective labor movement (the healthy part being as tricky as a less corrupt federal government) we just end up in the inevitable reality that resembles a Charles Dickens novel.
It's not chains. It's a football game as opposed to a mob.

I will admit that I'm very down with the good old idealist idea from the 60's of "the new nation". The idea that people just stop participating in the old and organize a new. Sounds like a very empowering and great idea. It was the position of the Yippies. Trouble is that it can't be accomplished. Not because of Government control but because of economic control. It was the pipe dream of a bunch of kids. Nobody over the age of 30 can drop out. They just aren't going to start raising their own crops and riding around in a horse and buggy. And even if you wanted to people don't have that cash for land. Even if people take part and "buy local" and stop feeding the gorilla once you add up the chips the gorilla wins. It's set up that way.

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The Yippie "New Nation" concept called for the creation of alternative, counterculture institutions (food co-ops, underground newspapers, free clinics, etc.). Yippies believed these cooperative institutions and a radicalized hippie culture would spread until they supplanted the existing system.

"We are a people. We are a new nation," YIP's New Nation Statement said of the burgeoning hippie movement. "We want everyone to control their own life and to care for one another... We cannot tolerate attitudes, institutions, and machines whose purpose is the destruction of life, the accumulation of profit."[18]

The goal was a decentralized, collective, anarchistic nation rooted in the borderless hippie counterculture and its communal ethos. Abbie Hoffman wrote:

    We shall not defeat Amerika by organizing a political party. We shall do it by building a new nation ? a nation as rugged as the marijuana leaf.[19][20]


OK so the "marijuana leaf" crack is a bit over the top. As is the anti capitalist ideology.
But it's funny how similar a lot of the new ultra Libertarian / pseudo  conservative movements resemble this stuff. IMO it's a pipe dream.
What we need is s functioning constitutional democracy. We don't have that now.
The democracy part is an illusion that people accept as democracy and the constitutional part is on the way out with this fist puppet supreme court we have and law makers who are bought out for a can of bacon grease. (Gotta love Deadwood)

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Joseph E. Stiglitz

The Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph E. Stiglitz, says: "the reason that the invisible hand often seems invisible is that it is often not there."[17][18] Stiglitz explains his position:

    Adam Smith, the father of modern economics, is often cited as arguing for the "invisible hand" and free markets: firms, in the pursuit of profits, are led, as if by an invisible hand, to do what is best for the world. But unlike his followers, Adam Smith was aware of some of the limitations of free markets, and research since then has further clarified why free markets, by themselves, often do not lead to what is best. As I put it in my new book, Making Globalization Work, the reason that the invisible hand often seems invisible is that it is often not there. Whenever there are "externalities"?where the actions of an individual have impacts on others for which they do not pay, or for which they are not compensated?markets will not work well. Some of the important instances have long understood environmental externalities. Markets, by themselves, produce too much pollution. Markets, by themselves, also produce too little basic research. (The government was responsible for financing most of the important scientific breakthroughs, including the internet and the first telegraph line, and many bio-tech advances.) But recent research has shown that these externalities are pervasive, whenever there is imperfect information or imperfect risk markets?that is always. Government plays an important role in banking and securities regulation, and a host of other areas: some regulation is required to make markets work. Government is needed, almost all would agree, at a minimum to enforce contracts and property rights. The real debate today is about finding the right balance between the market and government (and the third "sector" ? governmental non-profit organizations.) Both are needed. They can each complement each other. This balance differs from time to time and place to place.[18]
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Great Dudes in History / Re: A boss who is a dude in the truest sense?
« Last post by jgiffin on April 16, 2015, 08:13:02 AM »
Good points. The playing field certainly needs to be leveled. Right now, it's like 90% of the population is bowling uphill while 10% are bowling downhill. I wonder whose score will be higher?

However, I think the leveling is best accomplished by removing restrictions, deconstructing barriers to competition, lowering costs of entry into business, and  revising the tax code and other laws (including those on immigration), rather than imposing them on someone else. Putting chains on the beast won't do - time has proven the beast will either break them use them to shackle someone else.  We had a pretty good start on that, called it a Constitution, but people forgot all about it.
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