Fuck... um - a little anal?

...and perhaps a little too involved in the intricacies of a religion started as a tongue-in-cheek parody?

Bummer man. Or am I missing a REALLY huge Monty Pythong thing?

Could this be a meeting of the Counsel of Dudes perhaps a couple thousand years from now on planet Dudetopia? Subject matter in debate; "is this not Nam, what are the fucking rules?" And, after the meeting; a few burgers, a few beers, are troubles are over dudes, let's get us a lane and roll a few.........

I feel that Dudeism, like Taoism, is closer to a philosophy then a religion. I don't find any of this to be "spiritual", but more so mental. A guide to living your life, not a practice of worship and spirituality and all that.

I am of course using the term religion in the eastern sense so agree with you here.

But do feel that elements of the tao are spiritual.

But not in the christian (Freudian oedipal) "god is daddy and will sort everything out for you, especially if you pray hard enough to him" sense.

More in the "the Tao is the is the combined effect of the big machine (universe, cosmos, multi-verse) working the way it's always worked but you have become sentient as a cog in a watch that can see the watch moving and changing but whoa betide you if you try to stand against the flow of the mechanism, so don't bother and go with the flow anyway" sense.

But not in a "crying in the corner whining that I can't do anything with my life because it's all preordained and to change anything would be to go against the status quo" sense.

More in "the big machine is effected by and effects the choices I make and the place I am at now, but it's ultimately up to me to make that choice, and my decision is mine not anyone else's" sense.

"A good example, but only because I believe you are wrong. Lao Tzu did not lead Taoism."

You're right, but he was the one who made the ball rolling down the spiritual lane. Not Pink Po or Jip Wey or whatever, he was the first one to come out with the new stuff and he's the first roller. 1000 years from now Dudeism will still be distilled by Oliver, and as the first roller he probably has a deeper comprehension of Dudeism. That's as I see it. Also, Lao Tzu didn't lead anything because Taoism is a spiritual philosophy and not a church, we are also a church. That's different.
You can't lead the Tao, the Tao doesn't give you a shit about human beings, but knowing the rules of Tao you can achieve pretty much.


"Actually read Olly's posts. The last thing he wants is to be the boss."

Correct, and I dig his attitude, but he's the head of the church of the latter day dude, with the archdudeship second. While I like freedom as everyone else I understand we need a bit of rules for peaceful living, either in the religious field and in the social one. It doesn't need to be accepted by anyone but as I see it Olly is the head of the church and the wiser man of the philosophy. That's why I think the final word belongs to him.
If Dudeism is a philosophy he is the one who came out with the definition like Eraclito and similar people, whatever thay are called in English. If Dudeism is a church there must be a head of the church otherwise everyone sooner or later thinks that the world starts and stops at our own convenience. We are human beings after all and we all tend to see our point of view as the correct one. So if it's a church he's the head of it. If Dudeism is a concept again he's the one who came out with it and he's probably the best one who can talk about it.

You know, I see Dudeism as a spiritual religion and a church so that's the way it work for me. The day things will change I'll go my way but I won't be anymore a Dudeist. The fact that we haven't much clear now what Dudeism and being a Dudeist mean doesn't change the fact that Dudeism, being a Dudeist or a Dudeist Priest mean a particular thing. As I said above water is water, it isn't wine, it isn't beer; it's water. Dudeism can be applied to everything but not everything is Dudeism. That's Tao, and it's another thing.

Thanks for your compliments about my English usage, but I know I'm a pretty crappy English speaker.  I should have taken the chance when younger to come over there and go to the University, oh well.


"I'm glad you give this example because again I feel you are entirely wrong.

In the first three films (IV, V, IV) Yoda is one of the few Jedi left and is referred to because he was Obi Wan's teacher."

Correct, and as a matter of facts Jedi got screwed because they didn't listen to what Yoda said, that Skywalker was in reality an asshole. If Yoda was the head of the Jedi Knights they would have won before the fight. Human beings tend to resort to leaders only when the plane crashes into the mountain. Then they begin screaming around saying "save me, save me" to someone who knows what to do. Democracy is a cool concept but without a clear "leader" it always ends up with a bunch of people sitting around a table talking of bullshits and eating costly food doing nothing until it's too late. To go back to StarWars if there was no Yoda the council would have remained there talking and talking until they had those fucking Siths behind their back only to go to Yoda sking to be saved. That's human nature.

Not a very good example but the Roman Empire fell when the power was in the hands of the Senate, not the Emperor. When there are 100 people thinking they are all right you know the kind of mess it can be. I am for democracy and freedom but there must be a final word from a wiser man.

Also, let's not forget that is Yoda who leads the Jedi's Army when the shit comes to light.

But that's just how I see Dudeism, a group of mellowly organized free thinkers. As well as religion per se has not a negative meaning but depends on those who follow it the same goes for organization and rules and whatever. We just have to find the right balance between freedom and organization.

As I said before if someone is just a Dudeist that's cool but if someone is a Dudeist Priest there is an organized structure and so on. At the end we are a church. Also, let's not forget that to make the world a bit of a better place we have to reach a certain spiritual weight in the religious field otherwise people around will go on considering Dudeists just a bunch of amateurs who are a movie fan club based on internet.

To give another historical example picked one by one Germans were immense fighters but the superior organization of Roman Army won 9 times over 10. The same went for Scots and British. Sometimes organization is needed and an organized effort is required to reach a certain point.

That's just my opinion, ad sorry if I've lost my train of thoughts somewhere. 

Andrea FYI Eraclito  = Heraclitus

(google translated a greek wiki page to get that one).

The world does Not need another Religion...it needs Dudeism...a philosophical way to live life.
Down With Dogma!